when you think about african americans and latinos now, they make up 50% of the new cases of hiv, so i have to really focus in on this because it's hurting my community in a big way. >> jon: right, right. i think this test now being at home will help i think get away from the stigma. >> jon: absolute, and information is a key and treatment is a key and it's a great thing. how long does it take for rivals to become friendly? you know, i see now you and larry bird, you do shows together. there's a broadway show, you know, ralph frank and boab richardson, the famous home run. it took them a long time to sort of become friends. ali-frazier never quite pulled the trick. these great rivalries. what is the foundation of those relationships? is it respect? is there antagonism that keeps people from being able to put their sports derpses aside. what you have seen? >> the reason you hate the other guy is because he's so good and you do respect him. >> jon: right. >> so-- and you know he can kick your butt at any time. >> jon: right. i feel that way about a large part of the world. >> yes, yes.